<p>Probably she didn't even know she was raped. Still nowadays most of the people think that rape is a stranger on a dark alley, not the handsome friend of your parents </p>

<p>With all his travels a pulmonary embolus is the most probable cause of sudden death. Poisioning would not be as abrupt as she described.  Bolstering this assertion is the high prevalence of Factor V Leiden as a predisposing condition for pulmonary embolism. <span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(71,74,81);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">APC-R caused by factor V Leiden is the most common inherited predisposition to hypercoagulability in white populations of northern European background.</span><span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(71,74,81);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11px;"> </span><span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(71,74,81);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Factor V Leiden follows a geographic and ethnic distribution; it occurs most frequently in northern and western Europe (the highest prevalence of 15% has been reported in Sweden), but high prevalences are also found in Cyprus (13%), Turkey (9%), and the Middle East (5.4%).</span> </p>

<p>Good point by Nina about not recognising rape.  Even so, I suspect "he forced his way into my bed, I had no idea what he wanted" would have gone down an awful lot better with her mother. </p>

<div class="quote">64.191.132.117 wrote:
With all his travels a pulmonary embolus is the most probable cause of sudden death. Poisioning would not be as abrupt as she described.  Bolstering this assertion is the high prevalence of Factor V Leiden as a predisposing condition for pulmonary embolism. <span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(71,74,81);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">APC-R caused by factor V Leiden is the most common inherited predisposition to hypercoagulability in white populations of northern European background.</span><span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(71,74,81);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11px;"> </span><span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(71,74,81);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Factor V Leiden follows a geographic and ethnic distribution; it occurs most frequently in northern and western Europe (the highest prevalence of 15% has been reported in Sweden), but high prevalences are also found in Cyprus (13%), Turkey (9%), and the Middle East (5.4%).</span></div> <p>
So these medical descriptions, other than his being Turkish are you saying we saw any symptoms in his actions or characteristics? </p>

<div class="quote">QuiGonJohn wrote:
<div class="quote">64.191.132.117 wrote:
With all his travels a pulmonary embolus is the most probable cause of sudden death. Poisioning would not be as abrupt as she described.  Bolstering this assertion is the high prevalence of Factor V Leiden as a predisposing condition for pulmonary embolism. <span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(71,74,81);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">APC-R caused by factor V Leiden is the most common inherited predisposition to hypercoagulability in white populations of northern European background.</span><span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(71,74,81);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11px;"> </span><span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(71,74,81);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Factor V Leiden follows a geographic and ethnic distribution; it occurs most frequently in northern and western Europe (the highest prevalence of 15% has been reported in Sweden), but high prevalences are also found in Cyprus (13%), Turkey (9%), and the Middle East (5.4%).</span></div>
So these medical descriptions, other than his being Turkish are you saying we saw any symptoms in his actions or characteristics? </div> <p>Yes, for an abrupt death (cried out and was gone... or words to that effect) in someone who has recently had a long journey speaks highly to this as a probable cause. The overall cyanosis would fit as well. No reason to suspect heart attack in someone that fit and young and poisions, in spite of Hollywood portrayals, are not so instantaneous. A hypercoaguable state; however, exists as an independent risk in spite of one's age or overall health and can, even today, even occurring within a medical venue, can be immediately fatal.  </p>

<div class="quote">64.191.132.117 wrote:
<div class="quote">QuiGonJohn wrote:
<div class="quote">64.191.132.117 wrote:
With all his travels a pulmonary embolus is the most probable cause of sudden death. Poisioning would not be as abrupt as she described.  Bolstering this assertion is the high prevalence of Factor V Leiden as a predisposing condition for pulmonary embolism. <span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(71,74,81);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">APC-R caused by factor V Leiden is the most common inherited predisposition to hypercoagulability in white populations of northern European background.</span><span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(71,74,81);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11px;"> </span><span style="font-weight:normal;color:rgb(71,74,81);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Factor V Leiden follows a geographic and ethnic distribution; it occurs most frequently in northern and western Europe (the highest prevalence of 15% has been reported in Sweden), but high prevalences are also found in Cyprus (13%), Turkey (9%), and the Middle East (5.4%).</span></div>
So these medical descriptions, other than his being Turkish are you saying we saw any symptoms in his actions or characteristics?</div>Yes, for an abrupt death (cried out and was gone... or words to that effect) in someone who has recently had a long journey speaks highly to this as a probable cause. The overall cyanosis would fit as well. No reason to suspect heart attack in someone that fit and young and poisions, in spite of Hollywood portrayals, are not so instantaneous. A hypercoaguable state; however, exists as an independent risk in spite of one's age or overall health and can, even today, even occurring within a medical venue, can be immediately fatal.  </div> <p>Also, the problem with the poison is "who wants to kill him, why, how he/she get there and when he/she had the chance?". Downton is not open to the main public, precisely... If he was poisoned after a walk at town, it could have been more possible. </p>

<p>So I rewatched S1 E3 yesterday (the episode where all this transpires), no way was it rape or taking advantage of.  After dinner, Pamuk signalled Mary over, she went to him and then they went into the study.  The kiss was abrupt and took Mary by surprise.  She was very haughty and left him there.  Later that night, whilst he did "push in" on her in her room, as he was lying on the bed kissing her and she was objecting at first, it was not long before she was asking him "will it hurt", "is it safe" and she was kissing him back.  Hardly the actions of someone who is actively resisting. </p>

<p>So... "Keep insisting until she says yes, or until she doesn't say no"? That's f*cking rape and sexual assault! The absence of "no" doesn't mean "yes" or "I'm being difficult"! </p><p>"She doesn't resist enough" is something used to victim blame rape victims and free rapists from jail... </p>

<p>REALLY, she could have been screaming at him "GET OUT OF HERE", hitting him.  Not lying in bed asking "will it hurt", "is it safe", and then kissing him back.  She wanted him, she was just hesitant as I truly believe that was to be her first intercourse.  But no, NOT RAPE.   Plus, you're not taking into account that times were different then.  Back then, it was perfectly normal for a woman to feign some degree of resistance, even when she was willing.  It was often expected.  I know that is not so true today.  Again, I am NOT saying anything to blame a rape victim.  But you really are not seeing this for what it was and you are using outdate norms.  I am sure if she vehemently opposed him, Pamuk would have left.   Watch it again! </p>

<p>If she wanted him, why she said GTFO when they kiss? If she wanted him, why she said GTFO again in her room? Why he didn't stop after the first time? So yes, it's still rape or, at least, absence of consent, which is still a form of rape. Do you think she won't ruin her reputation anyway if she started to scream? The fact he was in her room is enough to ruin a woman's reputation back in those days, even they were fully dressed and not kissing when someone stormed in the room. </p>