The girl presented after Rose is announced as "Lady Jane Radclyffe" who is being presented by "The Countess of Derwentwater". There hasn't been an "Earl of Derwentwater" since the title was forfeit in 1816 from the 3rd Earl.
His son, grandson, great-grandson and great-great grandson all used the title but were only "titular Earls". The 5th Earl married and his descendants used the title of Earl of Newburgh; this title belonged to the titular 5th Earl's wife and she held it in her own right.
It was inherited by her son - the titular "6th Earl of Derwentwater" - and there is no record of a "Lady Jane Radclyffe" in the records, nor an Earl of Derwentwater in 1922.
Since these characters should be added to the "List of Off-Screen Characters" what do we do?
Check out 'Devil Water' by Anya Seton for the history of the Radclyff's of Derwentwater - it's a fascinating story. http://www.amazon.com/Devil-Water-Rediscovered-Classics-Seton/dp/1556526598
The title Earl of Derwentwater was forfeited in 1715 after the Jacobite uprising. James Radclyffe, the 3rd Earl was executed the following year. His son John was designated 4th Earl by the Jacobites, but this title was no longer recognised by the crown. The 3rd Earl's brother , Charles Radclyffe titled himself as 5th Earl and was executed after the 1745 rebellion in 1746. Charles Radclyffe had an illegitimate daughter called Jane, who is the subject of the Anya Seton novel. She was not "Lady Jane Radclyffe" though. The last person to use the title was Charles Radclyffe's son, who was by virtue of his mother the 4th Earl of Newburgh. He only used the title between the time of Charles Radclyffe's execution in 1746 and the death of his mother in 1755 when he became the actual Earl of Newburgh as well as being the de jure Earl of Derwentwater. His son Anthony James, was de jure 7th Earl of Derwentwater and died in 1814. In the 1860s a woman calling herself the Countess of Derwentwater appeared at Dilston Castle in Northumberland and claimed to be the great granddaughter of John, the 4th Earl. She claimed that John had not died at age 19 but had been trafficked to Germany where he had married and had children. Although her claims were ultimately dismissed she was the last person to use the title and died in 1880. Her most likely identity was Amelia Fennell, the great granddaughter of the writer Mrs Mary Ann Radcliffe, whose husband Joseph was another illegitimate child of Charles Radclyffe, the de jure 5th Earl of Derwentwater.
I really love Downton Abbey but it is a story of fiction although a great one..Apparently I read somewhere on a genealogy site that a Countess of Derwentwater still lives today in Belgium..Apparently too,the King of Germany at the time was looking after James Radcliffe 3rd Earl of Derwentwater's son John who supposedly didn't die back in 1731.Who knows the real truth..Back in them days they could easily have faked a death and a death certificate..Isn't it weird that his body was taken back to St Louvain or whatever it's called (in France) where his Aunts were nuns..I do have a copy of John's will but even they could have been faked.Not to say he didn't die then though..I am sure that Charles Radcliffe's oldest son James Bartholomew Radcliffe is the 3rd Earl of Newburgh and James Bartholomew Radcliffe's son Anthony James Radcliffe is the 4th Earl of Newburgh.Also Amelia Fennell who is Sorenia Mary Elizabeth Radcliffe and Thomas Fennell's daughter is not the same person as the Radcliffe claiment who called herself Countess of Derwentwater and was a Governess at Dover Castle where her father William Radcliffe also worked....Also these two Amelia's have different birth years...That's why I call this amazing Story the Radcliffe Enigma...It's all so very interesting and intriguing.Also where is the proof that Joseph Radcliffe is the illegitimate son of Charles.Charles Radcliffe had many illegitimate children and it's possible .....He was a well known philanderer...
When speaking of the Radclyffe family and Jane "Jenny" Radclyffe need to be very carful as a desendent may pop up and prove you wrong. Jane "Jenny" had three sons with Robert Wilson they were James Charles Ratcliff and William Ruben Ratcliffe (Ratclyffe or Radclyffe) the names spelling changed over time. Both son's kept their mothers maidan name while the third son kept his fathers last name Wilson. Jane's mother was Margaret Snowdon. Margret and Charles were married in order to provied their child a sir name and make sure it was taken care of. Jane and Robert were married on May 6th 1726 in the Old Church of Westover VA. My Grandmother was a Ratcliff (Radclyffe). Jane went to England when her father Charles was beheaded. She brought back a number of items. These iteams are still in the family most of witch are in Wichita Kansas.
Don't forget that the universe in which DA evolves is NOT our reality... It's a parallele universe, in you forgive my sci-fi parlance...
Yes indeed family can come back, my Grandfather his Muncy Ellis Ratliff son of Muncy William Ratliff...son of Shadrack Ratliff...son of Abednego Ratliff....son of John Ratliff...son of William Ratclyffe...son of Rob Ratliff and Jane Radclyffe...daughter of Charles Radclyffe and Meg Snowden....son of Edward Ratclyffe and Mary Tudor.....daughter of King Charles II Stuart. I can trace my bloodline through the house of Stuart and beyond even King David I. When England outed the Stuart line, they eventually had Kings with no heirs and had to go 50 times down the line of succesesions to George the II of Great Britain. The Stuart line came from and continued to be one of the most intact bloodlines by direct desendats ever, son to son...Parent to child.... The English monarch now had founded after the Jacobite time, and no children to William and Mary...then George comes 50 times to go down the line of succesion to put him on the throne, remember that when I say I have more Royal blood in my veins than the Queen of England.
Or they can change names. Read the story of Toyotomi Hideyoshi's early life. No one even knows his real name!
Just want to say in reply to unknown user dated 28/3/2017,that King George I is a grandson to Elizabeth Stuart,daughter of King James VI & I of Britain and his wife Ann of Denmark..This means she is a sister to King Charles I of England and Aunt to King Charles II of England who is grandfather of James Radcliffe,3rd Earl of Derwentwater and his brother Charles among others..It is known that Charles Radcliffe had many illegitimate children..There are probably many descendants,lots who can't find that connection yet..Mostly anyone could could find royalty on their tree....
Lady Jane (Jenny) Radclyffe was a real person..So,Lady Jane Radclyffe was raised by her father Charles Radclyffe's first cousin on his mother's side,Lady Elizabeth (Betty) Lee..Betty's mother is Charlotte Lee (Fitzroy),Countess of Lichfield,daughter of King Charles II and his mistress Barbara Palmer..Lady Jane Radcliffe would have lost any titles she may have had when she ran off to Virgiinia to find the love of her life Robert (Rob) Wilson and start a new life for herself.
What do you think?