I thought a discussion about series six might be fun. So, what's been your favourite part of the series so far? Least favourite? Anything you still hope to see?
My favourite part would be seeing Edith taking charge at the magazine more - I think Micheal Gregson would be proud of her.
My least favourite parts would be how depressing Thomas' storyline has been and the boring beyond belief hospital storyline. Surely they could find something more interesting than that for Violet to do?
As always I'm hoping for more stories from downstairs (but not the Bates), but I won't hold my breath. :)
Robert and Cora don't need a resolution, and Mary and Edith will probably marry Talbot and Pelham, and Pelham and Edith can run The Sketch and live in London. Tom is a bit unpredictable, though it will seem disappointing if his Series 4 and 5 storyline is continued in the sixth. Since Anna is pregnant, she and Bates should move to their London house, Thomas can become butler, the Carsons can retire to their cottage, Daisy and Andy can marry and live at Yew Tree Farm with Mr Mason, Mrs Patmore can do her bed and breakfast, and Molesley and Baxter can marry. All of the characters' storylines have to be wrapped up in the next five episodes.
Gwen's appearance was important to the theme of the episode. Tom Branson basically foreshadows it in an early scene when he says something to the effect, "in America a hardworking man can go right to the top in an single lifetime". Then Gwen comes along, and the point is made that she was successful in her own right before meeting John Harding, thus demonstrating the onset of increased social mobility.
This period is defined not only by the decline of the landed gentry, but by the rise of the middle class and breaking down barriers between the classes. A point that would be very difficult to make in a single episode with any of the existing characters,
The reason DA is set in the period it is, by Julian Fellowes' own admission, was because of how dramatically society changed in this period. That is why the first three seasons were set just before the war, during the war, and immediately after the war, respectively.
Personally I don't care about the episodes "theme", and I don't watch for the historical element of the show (only in so far as it provides a background obviously) - I watch for the characters and the storylines. Which haven't exactly been grabbing me so far this series.
Isn't that a bit like saying you like the characters and storyline of Gone With the Wind, but not the historical element of the civil war? :)
It isn't just background, it drives the story. That has really been the problem since series 3, there has been no big background event to set it against. Series 1 had the entail in termoil, series 2 was about the war, and series 3 was the aftermath of the war and the financial crisis of the estate, representing what happened to many of the great estates as a consequence of the war.
Not really, I'm just saying that it belongs in the background and doesn't really interest me.
It's nice to have the historical events as a background, but the characters and the storylines they're involved in should be in the forefront. Even though series 1, 2 and 3 had these background events it was the way the characters reacted and interact with each other that made the series what it was, not the setting.
The point is, they need a reason to interact, otherwise all you have are stories of the downstairs dusting, cooking and polishing the silver, while the upstairs eats, drinks, gossips and ..., Well ok maybe that last part might be interesting. :)
There have been lots of storylines that have very little, if not nothing, to do with the historical setting.
Nothing they do makes sense outside the historical context. People do not address each other that way anymore. Most of the jobs don't even exist, at least in a recognizable form. Daisy would not be lighting fires if Downton had central heating, Andy would not be winding clocks if everyone had a smart phone. In some cases the historical setting is very explicit, in others, quite subtle, but it is always there, and the story could not move forward without it.
I agree with you Ehj666, the historical context is what makes Downton Abbey what it is. To me, season 2 was the best in that perspective, allowing us to follow the characters while seeing how the Great War impacted them. And it is no coincidence to me that this was a great season, compared to season 4 or 5 which lacked a bit of something. But it makes me feel all the more sorry that the show didn't go on, what with the 1929 crisis and the rise of Fascism in Europe... Maybe you should create a specific topic on the forum dedicated to the historical context...
Edith's ruling the newspaper, Gwen's return and Thomas (though I hated the aftermarth, I enjoyed the drama). And the Carsons being adorable XD
What do you think?