How do you think their relationship has changed, especially last series? One thing I have noticed, specifically with Robert, is they seem much more involved a affectionate with Edith. Robert was delighted when Edith was going to be a Marchioness and lavished her with praise when she edited to magazine. Plus he expressed some real concern for Edith being hurt when they were debating if Edith should tell Bertie about Marigold. Plus that promo seems to suggest Robert gives Edith a pep talk. I'm less sure about Cora, but on a whole it seems their relationship has improved since they found out about Marigold and taken bit more interest in Edith. I don't think Mary's relationship has changed quite so much, except maybe they're more willing to leave Mary in charge of her own life since series 2. I think it will be interesting to see if Mary's actions in the last episode has caused any conflict between them. We know that Violet gets a dig in at Mary when Robert says Edith is in London. They must be rather angry that Mary tried to split Edith and Bertie up even if they have forgiven her now. I don't believe that it will all be forgotten and swept under the rug.
I wonder if he we will get a scene with Edith ad Rosamund, maybe at Edith's wedding.Rosamund is more of mother to Edith than Cora ever was, and it would interesting to see Cora realise that. Nothing major, just a little twinge of regret and recognising that there will be a part of Edith that will be open for Rosamund but forever closed for her.
If you rewatch the earlier seasons, you can tell that Cora is a foreigner even in her own family. She is am American and her judgement is called into question in the earlier episodes. But she is also a very kind and good person. Her daughters do not want to disappoint her. Listen to the conversation between Mary and Anna about who they with get to carry out Pamuk's body. I think Cora has been a wonderful mother. Aunt Rosamund is a great aunt. Those are different roles. I noticed that there were wonderful conversations between Edith and her mother all through the series. There is a special bond between Rosamund and Edith, but that does not change the love between Cora and Edith.
Really? A few conversations now and then doesn't exactly equate to a strong mother/daughter bond in my book. Although I agree Cora was a good mother Mary and Sybil, from the start she didn't make as much of a effort with Edith. Edith longed for marriage, but Cora had already dismissed her as a spinster. And in Series 5, she stood up for Mary when Edith called her out on getting the haircut, but made no objections when Mary told Edith she spoilt everything. Even this series, she still made a rather catty comment about Edith having few prospects, which can't be attributed to the loss of men as she shows no surprise when Mary has several suitors. Although Edith and Cora love each other, Edith has two mother figures in her life. One of which is also on her side, is always there for her and concerned for her happiness. Who as never given Edith any cause to doubt her love. And another who, well, isn't. Even if their relationship is better, what about when Edith was a child? We can only go on what we have seen, but if prior to Series 1 Edith has always been treated that way in the family, then think of the damage that can to do a person. Cora and Edith love each other, but I would like to see Cora and Robert to properly realise that at some point, their daughter has stopped trusting them as much and there will always be a part of her that is lost to them.
Exactly, neither Mary or Edith trust on their mother. In Edith´s case is more palpable, because she tust on Rosamound about important things like when Gregson was missing, she told her about her pregnancy, abortion plan, trip to switzerland, Maridold staying with the Drewes, she take her to Gregson flat, etc.
I dont think in Edith´s case is about her mother origins, is about how her mother never gave the attention that she needed, Robert at least tries to understad Edith and for that she trust on him. Mary in the other hand always had shown contempt for mother origins, many times she complained to her about her american origin and she showed clearly was annoyed when Cora´s mother and brother came to visit them in the CS.
Both sisters love their mother, but neither of them trust on her.
A Wikia contributor, Edith didn't tell Rosamund on her own but Rosamund, because she knew her night with Gregson, guessed she was pregnant. All else followed of it. Rosamund as well Violet gave Edith support, but they also adviced to conceal the existence of Marigold, i.e. to behave according to the rules of society. That was of course quite natural in those times.
As for Cora, that Edith concealed her pregnancy and Marigold was largely due that the matter was regarded as a shame and therefore she was quite naturally afraid of her reaction. Remember how she asked for Rober's forgiveness. Even that was quite natural in those times.
In addition, what kind of plot it would have been if all had behaved well and there had been no secrets. The Pamuk affair and Marigold were like Damokles sword hanging over head.
Finally, for some reason Fellowes decided to write the episode where Gregson's death is finally confirmed so that we don't see the secene where Edith and Robert heard the news but only what Robert tells about it to Cora. She is sympathetic and willing to comfort Edith, but Robert tells that she wants to be alone and has gone to walk. That's a natural reaction to some and as we later learn, she has gone to see Marigold, but in the same time our ability to sympathize with Edith is much less than if she had got more screen time.
In S6 ep 8, however, we see that Cora is initimate with Edith. Also her, as well Rosamund's, advice to tell all to Bertie is sound. Instead, Robert discusses only with Cora and Rosamund, not Edith. That's natural enough as the matter is delicate, yet Robert insists only that he wants Edith to be happy (but he is mighty enthusiastic about Bertie becoming Marques whereas an agent he could only be accepted), not seeing dangers as Cora and Rosamund do.
Robert doted on Edith is the CS. And I Loled a Cora asking if Edith was pregant again. What motherly love. I feel that Robert has definitely made more of an effort to be there for Edith and I loved the scene before the wedding. The wedding as a whole was beautiful.
I would have loved more scenes between Edith and Cora, it would be interesting to see how their relationship has changed over time. Like a scene before Edith's wedding or something like that.
Edith has been comforted by her mother loads of times! Series 2, Cora is very proud of Edith whenever she is honored as being the person the troops like most/receive the most comfort from. In series 3 Cora holds Edith close and comforts her after Edith is jilted at the altar. In series 4, whenever Edith asks if she is "bad" Cora hugs her and tells her that she is not. In series 5 Cora is visibly shaken and upset whenever Edith's wishes about her own chid were overlooked and is furious that she was left in the dark about the pregnancy, not to mention creating a plan for Marigold to come and live with them. Then in series 6 she supports her daughter in telling Bertie the truth.
But she doesn't congragulate Edith herself. Nor does she continue to try and support Edith after she as left at the alter. Despite that one scene, she does nothing to help her find someting to do. And she doesn't try to find out why Edith thinks she is bad, nor does she go to comfort her when Edith dicovers Michael is dead something he had been dreading for nearly two years. She allows Mary to say she spoils everything when Edith is visibly grieving and she may show outrage on Edith's behalf, she never shows that to Edith. Nor does she do anything for Edith when Bertie calls off the engagement. In fact, she barely mentions it. Saying something positive now and then doesn't equat to support, not when the rest of the time is spent ignoring her or openly disparaging her.She needs consistent love and help, not an odd remark or two. Right into Season 6 Cora continues to think poorly of Edith, asking what her prospects are (even though Mary is older and surrounded by suitors). The fact is , Edith and Cora just aren't close. Should Edith need support or guidance, it is very rarely Cora she will turn to. The fact that she turns to Rosamund or even Violet and Robert speaks volumes. Cora may love Edith, and Edith may know this, but I don't think Edith genuinely feels loved by Cora. And that is what matters.
Also when Edith yeld to Mary: who do you think i am? your maid? MAMA?...its very telling from Edith´s point of view that Cora is too weak and in her case she almost has to endure that condescending tone from her, and that tone can be very hurtful sometimes. I think that Mary´s simply thinks that her mother is not at her level, and Edith thinks that she doesnt value her enough.
Is clear that Robert doesnt understand Edith too much, but at least he tries to reach her in his clumsy ways.
What do you think?