I believe that the problem is that it took a while for Edith to come out of her shell. She spent a long time just being jealous of Mary, and it made her look unsympathetic to some viewers, even if Mary often was a bitch to her, which should have made her the sympathetic one. And there was the whole deal with Edith's letter about the whole Pamuk situation, which the haters will never forget. But as the years went by, Edith started to get a life outside Downton and her aristocratic circle. She matured and grew as she started to work for the magazine, while Mary got worse again after she came out of mourning Matthew's death. It is funny though that Edith managed to become a marchioness, so she will now outrank Mary on the social scale.
Indeed. Edith's haters don't want to see how creepy the situation was, because they just want to hate on Edith no matter what she does. How sad... I guess that Mrs Drewes might have gotten less attached to Marigold if her husband had explained, that Edith was the girl's mother and they couldn't keep her forever. But that is just speculations...
No, I'm just an ordinary user like you. But I managed to fix your post through some copying and pasting. I don't believe that you can edit your posts unless you are a registered user though, so that would explain why you had problems. :)
Thank you! You are completely right!
But hadn't Tom participated in an attack against a castle in Ìreland, and Robert had to pull strings to get him out of trouble? That sounds much worse than just being rude and tactless at a dinner party.
I believe that you only needed to go to a local bishop to get that dispension. But it was also comparatively easy to get such a marriage annulled later, if you were unhappy together. You only had to remind your local bishop that you were cousins, and that would make your marriage void.
Well, my sister has researched our family tree. And I don't believe that she found any first cousin marriages. One relative on our father's side and one relative on our mother's side did get married, but they got no children together if I remember correctly. So I don't believe that first cousin marriages have been that common here in Sweden.
Except for a few special circles, people in the Western world have frowned upon first cousin marriages for at least a century now. Even when it hasn't been fully illegal, it has been carefully avoided. It is very much different in other cultures (like in the Middle East) though. And as for more distant cousins like Mary and Matthew, it is more okay the more distantly related you are.
True, Ethel's story gave us a glimpse into what the same situation would have been like for a working class girl. But her situation was still not exactly the same as Edith's. It is heart-breaking to see that as long as Ethel kept Charlie, she could never find any job other than as a prostitute. But she did have an option, that I don't think that most women in her situ- ation did: she could give Charlie up to his wealthy grandparents. And that is also what she did in the end, even if she made sure that her new job was close to Charlie's new home.
Edith had to think about not only her own reputation, but that of her family as well. She had more resources that Ethel, but there was also less room for a scandal in her life. A working class girl could just move somewhere else and start anew, but it wasn't that simple for an earl's daughter.
Indeed. My mother was a kid in the 1950s, so it was a generation after the 1920s. And still, she only brushed her teeth once a year. Which was right before her yearly trip to the dentist. She did not have her own tooth brush either. Nope, she had to share one with her parents. And there was no tooth paste either. They had to use salt! Needless to say, all my grand- parents had false teeth. And both my parents also had bad dental health until they were adults and starting brushing their teeth every day.
The Christmas clip is most telling. It gives me no joy to agree with many there, but thr you have it,
Geesh, such ignorance! Where did you get the ridiculous idea, that a child with Asperger's can't follow an object with its eyes?
Thank you! If a person describes Asperger's as a "dreadful impediment", it proves that said person doesn't know anything about the subject. And as I have Asperger's myself, I was deeply hurt by that comment.
I'm sad to see so much Edith hate in this thread. Try to put yourself into her situation. She was a lady from an aristocratic family in the 1920s, who happened to become pregnant out of wedlock (because the man she loved couldn't divorce his wife, who did not even recognize him anymore). What exactly do you think that Edith should have done with her daughter, when she painfully realized that she couldn't go through an abortion? Giving the girl up for adoption and most likely never see her again could have been an option, except that Edith wanted to keep her daughter in her custody. Neither the Swiss couple (whom we didn't even get to know at all) or the Drewes were Marigold's legal parents at any point. They were only temporary care-takers, who took on the task to look after the girl until her father turned up (except he never did). It was unfortunate that Mrs Drewe never understood that, but it wasn't Edith's fault that Mr Drewe didn't explain things to his wife.
To be fair to Sarah, she did not know the Crawleys or anything about their good sides. I agree with you though that it was rude of her to insult her hosts, and Robert was right to tell her off like he did.
She was no rapist like Green, so I don't see why she should die. And she also was the one, who would give Daisy the encouragement to get educated.
It was 93 minutes long over here in Sweden too. But then it was also broadcasted on SVT, as in our public service network. So there could be no commercial breaks.
I have to say though, that I really like how the final ended. So I don't see any point in doing much more at the moment. It would be like fixing what's not broken. Maybe we could have a revival when a few years have passed, so we could see the next generation in action.
Nevertheless though, I have to go with Bertie. Even if Edith probably could have gotten a good life with Michael as well, had things been different. I happen to find Bertie so cute, while I never felt that way about Michael.
I see... Well, I guess that you will have to learn something new every day.
Well, I don't see Rose as a bad person at all. Yes, she grew up as a spoiled daughter of a rich marquess (before Shrimpie ended up with those financial troubles). And having an affair with that married man was wrong, of course. And if you'd only get to know her superficially, she might seem like just a pretty but shallow upper class party girl. But still, Rose seemed to be a very open-minded person (she was even engaged to a black guy and later got married to a Jewish guy). She was clever enough to save her father-in-law's face within the blink of an eye. (Of course, I hope that Lady Sinderby and Atticus found out later. But it wouldn't have been right to let a scandal loose in front of all those people.) So to sum this up, I don't share your bad feelings about Rose. She is not my favorite, but I don't dislike her either.
But then, what is the difference between an "courtesy earl" and an "actual earl"? I'm only a beginner in the subject of ranks within the British nobility, so I don't know all the details yet.
And yeah, I guess that the grandson of a marquess (or a son of an earl) could be a baron instead of a viscount. Yet again, I'm only a beginner in this subject.
If they would have a son, he would be born as an earl. And if that son has a son while Bertie is alive, he will be born as a viscount.