I was thinking something like:
Oh, thanks. That's helpful actually - I can use it.
On the page I use a reference for 1530s - can you add in who is speaking in the reference link. I think it's Cora and a visitor but I'm not sure...
Yeah, let me finish it before the zebra-fying occurs. I'll work on it - you can help if you like? - for the next few days and weeks and we can transfer it across when it's done to replace the older timeline. It makes things easier.
I don't suppose you could do me a favour? The conversation I have about the abbey as the reference link -- can you add in who's speaking? I forget!
Technically, it wasn't illegal as monarchs did it all the time - it was merely "frowned upon".
Thank you! I'll work on it over the next few days/weeks so that we can see!
One thing you'd also have to remember -- eventually, Lord Sinderby has to croak it and Atticus, who loves his mother, would succeed and she'd probably be back in favour.
So, even if she did divorce him, she's not too badly off.
I was thinking something like:
In all honesty, I'd much prefer to see the Dowager die at the end of the movie; no-one believes she's ill except Isobel, and her final words (which are written on her grave) are "I'm always right".
Well, for one, Isobel wouldn't be in it; Robert only barely knew that Reginald was a doctor -- they only wrote, never met, if the beginning of Series 1 is any indication, so she wouldn't appear. And if Robert and Rosamund are teenage/20s age for the marriage of Cora, then Violet had the affair twenty years or so before the prequel would occur.
I'd like it to be about 20 years in the future for a teenage/twenties George and Sybbie, etc.
Uh, you do know that wasn't to you Commodre, right? Also that thing about Katherine becoming HRH, Catherine, The Duchess of Cambridge is wrong. She doesn't become that. She only keeps her name if she's born a Princess. She wasn't, so she takes William's title of Princess William of Wales. The Royal Family even released a notice on this, confirming her title.
I'm not wrong. Edith is a Lady. Edith is Lady Edith Pelham. Her husband's TITLE is Hexham, but his SURNAME is Pelham. He is The Most Honourable Lord Herbert Pelham, Marquess of Hexham; his wife, a LADY BY BIRTH, is The Most Honourable Lady Edith Pelham, Marchioness of Hexham.
Yes, Rose will be, but she'll keep Lady in front of her name too as it is hers by right of birth. She'll be The Most Honourable Lady Rose Aldridge, Baroness (or Viscountess; its possible that's Sinderby's title!) Sinderby.
Cora, by marriage, is Lady Cora. Doctor Clarkson calls her it repeatedly throughout the series when talking to her and she doesn't correct him. Cora is The Right Honourable Lady Cora Crawley (nee Levinson), Countess of Grantham, Viscountess Downton.
I think you'll find I'm not arguing whether this you anymore. I'm right, you're wrong, and I've reported you to Wikia for insubordination.
End of conversation.
Listen to me you ignorant little *ahem*.
Rose will keep her title of Lady even when Atticus becomes Baron, because it's HER'S BY RIGHT OF BIRTH as the daughter of a Marquess. Just like Edith will keep Lady. It is HER'S BY RIGHT OF BIRTH as the daughter of an Earl. She will have Lady from the moment she goes "goo goo, I am a baby" to "now I am dead!"
She was born with it, has it by right, and will always have it. Nothing, unless it turns out she is illegitimate, can take that from her.
And Cora does. As wife of a lord, she becomes a lady. Lady Robert Crawley, Viscountess Downton on marriage, to be precise -- and I know that is correct and that you are wrong as all you have to do is look at Kate Middleton. She's a commoner... on marriage she became PRINCESS William of Wales.
The same applies here for Cora. She becomes Lady Robert Crawley, Viscountess Downton. And then becomes Cora, Countess of Grantham (because Violet's title was Violet, Countess of Grantham and she's now Violet, Dowager Countess of Grantham so the same applies for Cora.)
Pelham is Bertie's surname -- so Edith takes that on marriage, but Lady is hers by right so she's Lady Edith Pelham, Marchioness of Hexham (and whatever else Bertie is... he presumably has at least one lower title for their child to take when he's born as his courtesy title.)
So, in future, kindly know when you're wrong. I won't have to ask you to bow down and beg for forgiveness then will I?
I think you'll find she WAS, actually...
And Cora DOES become Lady Cora. The moment she married a lord (which Robert is) she becomes lady. Cora's full title is "The Right Honourable Lady Cora Crawley, Countess of Grantham, Viscountess Downton."
That is correct as she married a lord (he was Viscount at the time!) and inherited his title by marriage. Per the terms of the law, Robert uses Viscount Downton as he has no son to use it.
Well, Mrs Pelham can petition for the style of a widow of a Marquess. Obviously, her husband never became one, so she can't use the full title.
No. No. No. Lady is Edith's by right. Even if she marries. No matter what, she NEVER loses that. Her surname, now she's married is Pelham, and her husband's title is Marquess of Hexham, so she becomes The Most Honourable Lady Edith Pelham, Marchioness of Hexham, (countess, baroness, Viscountess, whatever else Bertie has. There could be loads for all we know!)
For example, Rose. She's married Atticus. When Atticus becomes Baron Sinderby (as we assume that's his father's title!) Rose does NOT lose her title. She's titled by birth and will be The Most Honourable Lady Rose Aldridge, Baroness Sinderby
The most Honourable is hers because she is the daughter of a Marquess. Lady is hers for life even when Atticus succeeds. She then gains Baroness as that is Atticus's title.
The same occurs for Edith. Lady is hers BY RIGHT and it NEVER leaves her. Ever. She'll be Lady Edith from the moment she's born to the moment she dies, she just adds her husband's title to the end; in this case, Marchioness of Hexham.
Actually, Isobel COULD have become Countess. Technically. She can never have the title, but she could have petitioned the King (or Queen if Matthew succeeded when Elizabeth II was in the throne!) for the precedence of a widow of a marquess. I.e. She would have come ahead of everyone.