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In Bridgerton, the family the show/book focuses on is named Bridgerton. The members all use Bridgerton as their last name. But, it’s also there title. Anthony is “Viscount Bridgerton.” This is improper because a noble family’s name and there title are different. For example: Anthony Foyle is the Viscount Gillingham. Robert Crawley is the Earl of Grantham etc. so I don’t get why in Bridgerton, the title and house have the same name. And it’s not just them, the Featheringtons have the same issue. Baron Featherington is the title but their last name is also Featherington. Was this common back in the day or just a mistake by the author and show creators?
Yes, someone else would have been better.
No, I love him.
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What happens if Robert dies before George is of age. Does George become the Earl? Or does someone else manage the estate and stuff but doesn’t hold the title? Ik in the past there have been many female heiresses: for example Eleanor of Aquitaine was the Duchess of Aquitaine in her own right. Though her status or Queen of England, later Queen Mother, outranked her Duchess title. So is it possible under special circumstances for Mary to become the Countess or Grantham???
The Downton timeline needs a correction on these dates.
In Season 6, Episode 5, Violet does not say that Robert's father served in the Crimean War, just "the Crimea". It's more likely Robert's father and Anne De Vere Cole's father were together in Crimea in 1870-1871 when the Treaty of Paris was abrogated by Russia and Russia started building its base in and around Crimea.
Robert's father / Violet's husband could NOT have served with Anne De Vere Cole's father in the Crimean War between 1853 and 1856, Anne De Vere Cole's father was Major William Utting Cole, who was born in 1851. He would have been an infant of age 2 to a very young child of age 5 from 1853 to 1856 and could hardly have been a soldier. That would also push Robert's father's birth to at least 1835 and make him quite a bit older than Violet when they were married (at least 7 years older with her 17 or 18), Anne was born in 1883, which would also have been almost 30 years since they served together, and William Utting Cole was abroad much of that time period.
William Utting Cole was also a second lieutenant in 1870 at age 19. There is no evidence that he served in the Crimean War from his military record. If he had served in the Crimean War in 1853-1856 (at age 2-5) it should be listed and odd it would take him that long to make second lieutenant (ranked in May 1870), given that he so quickly became first lieutenant in less than a year (February 1871)
If Robert's father was closer to Violet in age, say born around 1840-1842, he would have been only 29-31 or so in 1870-1871 and William Utting Cole would have been 19. They'd have both been young then and it would make more since as it was closer in time to Anne's birth.
But in no way could Anne's father have served in the Crimean War.
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Did anyone else feel like the whole Lord Grantham Jane situation was unnecessary and out of place? It was so short lived and put a stain on his character. Immorality aside, really makes it look like he's having a sad midlife crisis. What are your thoughts?
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She should now that she has such a high status, but this particular Lady's Maid doesn't get much mention.
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The new #Downton Abbey movie #3 is already in the works. #Spoiler Alert We open up in the Downton Abbey library where the never before seen Mr. Pattinson played by #John Lithgow has arrived with a new collection of books. Among them is set of books for Mary Crawley Talbot, a collection of books by Dr. Lillian Gilbreth including The Psychology of Management, and Applied Motion published in the United States. Mary is thrilled and writes a letter inviting her to Downton Abbey. Dr. Gilbreth is rumored to be played by #Glenn Close.
Close up of Mr. Pattinson reading Swallows and Amazons, a children’s book. The camera pans out to see him reading to the Crawley children in the nursery. The nanny wants him to leave but the children insist that he continue reading the book which he promises to continue the next evening.
George is captivated by the story and doesn’t want to wait. The next day he looks in the library but can’t find the book anywhere. He sets out the to retrieve the book from Mr. Pattinson’s cottage only to discover that he has passed away with the book in his hand. Mr. Pattinson is surrounded by hundreds of children’s books meticulously arranged throughout every corner of his cottage. George flashes back to several times that Mr. Pattinson read to him and the other children, (montage).
George, now a teenager declares that he is going to preserve the cottage as-is as the first children’s library in Downton so that all of the village children can have the magical memories that he has.
I just shed a tear.
Thank you #Julian Fellowes
I wanted to ask you for some unpopular opinions. I'll go first: I hate Matthew because he just annoys me. Especially in season 2
I will not admit to how many times I've watched the series in its entirety. I do a lot of writing and schoolwork and tend to put the show on in the background. In the latenight hours, I rewatch the same few episodes....one of them being the one where Bertie announces at brekkie that he and Edith are going to wed.
As a sidenote: Edith started it with her snide remark. I guess she just couldn't help herself. Mary had been stewing over the whole Marigold thing and Bertie becoming the new hot shot was the final straw.
Here's the thing I only just noticed.......Bertie doesn't say anything when Robert says he must go and write gobs of letters....though Mary was in the room at the time. He could've easily spoken up and said....Robert, can you stay for a moment longer, I have something to share.
He didn't do that, but as soon as Robert leaves the room, Bertie pipes up that he wished Robert was still there and that he'd been waiting for Mary to come down in order to make his announcement. What? What?
As far as the storyline goes.....there likely isn't one if Robert remains.....would Edith have been so petty in front of Papa?....egging Mary on? We'll never know. I was so aggravated with Bertie, I changed the channel....lol. I was then aggravated with Julian because I thought it was sort of lame to do it that way just to get a rowe going between the sisters. Or was that the plan at all?
Today, I thought, well, maybe Bertie just showed himself to be sort of weak, though we don't see that weakness with his mother or with Edith after the fallout.
Just wondering if anyone else has given this any thought? Thanks!!!
Suffice it to say, I couldn't stay aggravated very long, because here I am now, with Downton Abbey on in the background....Season 4, Episode 8, as I pay bills and order stuff from Amazon.
Mary & Matthew
Sybil & Tom
Edith & Bertie
Mrs Hughes & Carson
Anna & Bates
Mary & Henry
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The music that's playing during the fashion show in season (5?) and when Lady Mary gets her "bald monkey" haircut is the same. It's extremely reminiscent of music I've heard somewhere that represents luxe femininity in the 20's and 30's. Does anyone have sources for this style?
Wanted to see the results
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What do you think about the new photo in the Servants Hall? Who are the characters in the picture? I think they are Mr. Molesley, Ms. Baxter, Mrs. Hughes and Thomas, but I'd like to know your opinion.
Right, where to start? First of all, his threatening Mary. We can see he acted quite civil, not to mention that Mary AGREED to marry him. Then we see her making eyes at Matthew, and HE'S the villain for acting out over it? Yes, there are better ways to get your fiancee to stop that behaviour, but that just means he won't be a doormat, and what's so wrong with that? Second, there's the obvious blackmail element. I think that to sell the story when the rumour was still fresh would be the better choice if he was trying to make some money (after several years or even months, wouldn't that information be made kind of irrelevant?), but he bought out that story everywhere, and although that does give him quite a lot of power over Mary, she technically gave it to him by allowing such a situation to happen in the first place (I guess the most blame should go to Pamuk, that creep, but he's dead). And it would make sense for the aristocracy to be suspicious of 'new money', but that speaks more about class division than his character.
I won't deny that he's not perfect, but in his dynamic with Mary, they're both just as bad. The fact that he loved her and she was just marrying him to secure a fortune speaks a lot about the reason for his actions. Ironic, isn't it, how Mary told him that a proposal needed to include some mention of love when he was the one who loved her in the end.
I see a Duke coming for a visit. An old friend of the dowager’s husband. He has a new wife,
Sarah O’Brien. As a Duchess , O’Brien now not only outranks the servants but the Crawley family. The Duke sees her as a sweet caring wife but she makes life hell for everyone else.
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Helena Bonham Carter
Millie Bobby Brown
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