Talk: Henry Talbot

It is stated that there are thirty-eight men in line to the earldom of Shrewsbury before Henry's father. Here is the line of succession to the earldom in the 1920s (from Burke's Peerage):

• Charles Chetwynd Talbot, 2nd Earl Talbot KG (1777–1849)
  • Charles Thomas Chetwynd Talbot, Viscount Ingestre (1802–1826)
  • Admiral Henry John Chetwynd Talbot, 3rd Earl Talbot CB (1803–1868), succeeded also as 18th Earl of Shrewsbury in 1860
    • Charles John Chetwynd Talbot, 19th Earl of Shrewsbury and 4th Earl Talbot (1830–1877)
      • Charles Henry John Chetwynd Talbot, 20th Earl of Shrewsbury and 5th Earl Talbot (1860–1921), founder of Clément-Talbot Motors
        • Charles John Alton Chetwynd Talbot, Viscount Ingestre (1882–1915)
          • John George Chetwynd Talbot, 21st Earl of Shrewsbury and 6th Earl Talbot (born 1914)
    • Admiral the Hon. Walter Cecil Carpenter (1834–1904)
    • 1. Major-General the Hon. Sir Reginald Arthur James Talbot KCB (born 1841)
    • The Hon. Alfred Talbot (1848–1913)
      • 2. Humphrey John Talbot (born 1883)
      • Geoffrey Richard Henry Talbot (1888–1916)
  • The Hon. and Rev. Arthur Chetwynd Talbot (1805–1884)
    • Charles Arthur Talbot (1834–1869)
      • Algernon Charles Talbot (1859–1888)
      • 3. Lieutenant-Colonel Arthur Hervey Talbot (born 1863)
        • 4. Lieutenant-Colonel Douglas Hervey Talbot (born 1882)
          • 5. Bryan Hervey Talbot (born 1916)
        • 6. John Victor Chetwynd Talbot (born 1887)
      • 7. Charles Aston Talbot (born 1864)
    • Hervey Arthur Talbot (1838–1884)
      • Arthur Aston Talbot (1881–1918)
        • 8. Patrick Edward Aston Talbot (born 1913)
    • 9. The Rev. Arthur Henry Talbot (born 1855)
      • 10. John Arthur Talbot (born 1905)
      • 11. Arthur Charles Ashton Talbot (born 1907)
      • 12. Richard Michael Arthur Talbot (born 1911)
      • 13. Ellis Edward Arthur Talbot (born 1920)
  • The Hon. John Chetwynd Talbot QC (1806–1852)
    • The Rt Hon. John Gilbert Talbot MP (1835–1910)
      • 14. Sir George John Talbot (born 1861)
        • John Bertram Talbot (1900–1922)
        • 15. Thomas George Talbot (born 1904)
      • 16. Bertram Talbot (born 1865)
      • 17. John Edward Talbot (born 1870)
        • 18. Evan Arthur Christopher Talbot (born 1903)
        • 19. Richard Eustace Talbot (born 1907)
      • Eustace Talbot (1873–1905)
    • 20. The Rt Rev. Bishop Edward Stuart Talbot (born 1844)
      • 21. The Rev. Edward Keble Talbot MC (born 1877)
      • 22. The Rt Rev. Neville Stuart Talbot MC, Bishop of Pretoria (born 1879)
        • 23. Gilbert Seymour Wyndham Talbot (born 1921)
      • Gilbert Walter Lyttelton Talbot (1891–1915)
  • The Hon. and Rev. George Gustavus Chetwynd Talbot (1810–1896)
    • George Canning Talbot (1845–1891)
      • John Arthur William Talbot (1876–1918)
      • Gustavus Arthur Chetwynd Talbot MP (1848–1920)
        • 24. Lieutenant-Commander Reginald George Talbot CBE (born 1881)
          • John Reginald Talbot (1910–1920)
        • 25. Gilbert Gustavus Talbot (born 1888)
        • Humfrey Richard Talbot (1889–1914)
  • The Hon. and Rev. William Whitworth Chetwynd Talbot (1814–1888)
    • Lieutenant-Colonel Sir Adelbert Cecil Talbot KCIE (1845–1920)
      • 26. Adelbert William James Talbot (born 1876)
    • William James Talbot (1847–1872)
    • Gerald Francis Talbot (1848–1904)
      • Henry Augustus Talbot (1871–1875)
      • 27. Victor Adelbert William Gerald Talbot (born 1872)
      • 28. Bertram William Chetwynd Talbot (born 1876)
      • 29. Stafford Cecil Talbot (born 1880)
      • 30. Sir Gerald Francis Talbot KCVO CMG OBE (born 1881)
  • The Hon. and Rt Rev. Monsignor Gilbert Chetwynd Talbot (1816–1896)
  • The Hon. Sir Wellington Patrick Manvers Chetwynd Talbot KCB (1817–1898)
    • Charles Stanley Talbot (1862–1899)
    • 31. Lieutenant-Colonel Frederick Gilbert Talbot DSO (born 1868)
    • 32. Walter Stanley Talbot CIE (born 1869)
    • Henry Arthur Talbot (1872–1920)
    • 33. Gilbert Edward Talbot (born 1876)
      • 34. Patrick Gilbert Murray Talbot (born 1905)
      • 35. Edward Hugh Frederick Talbot (born 1909)
  • The Hon. Gerald Chetwynd Talbot (1819–1885)
    • Charles Alexander Price Talbot (1842–1903), consul at Boston
      • 36. Charles Fleming Chetwynd Talbot (born 1879)
        • 37. Charles John Huyshe Chetwynd Talbot (born 1910)
        • 38. Gilbert Alexander Lucius Chetwynd Talbot (born 1918)
      • 39. Nicholas Gerald Chetwynd Talbot (born 1884)
      • 40. Gilbert Patrick Chetwynd Talbot (born 1886)
        • 41. Christopher Patrick Chetwynd Talbot (born 1922)
        • 42. Gerald Nicholas Chetwynd Talbot (born 1924)
      • William Alexander Chetwynd Talbot (1890–1890)
    • Gerald Henry Talbot (1843–1910)

There were more remote collaterals descended from the Very Rev. Charles Talbot, a first cousin of the 1st Earl Talbot.

It can be assumed that Henry was born in or before 1890 and his father in 1865 or earlier. The Hon. Gerald Chetwynd Talbot (born 1819) married Margaret Mackay in 1840 and his first son Charles Alexander Price was born on 22 March 1842. That doesn't leave much space for Henry's grandfather to be a fictional elder son of Gerald. It's more likely Henry is descended from a fictional brother (born 1818) of the 18th Earl. His father would need to have three elder brothers or male cousins living, who would be 36th to 38th in line, after the descendants of Sir Patrick Talbot (born 1817) and before Henry's father, Henry, and the historical 36th to 42nd in line shown above, who would be bumped down to 41st–47th places. Captain Good (talk) 14:56, 27 April 2021 (UTC)