Hi, welcome to Downton Abbey Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Thomas Barrow page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Fandyllic (Talk) 20:20, November 5, 2012


If you've got anything you want to add to the "Timeline" page, feel free to do so. The more we can work together, the more accurate the Timeline will be. Dragonrider2 (talk) 22:25, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm not sure that the Timeline will be my strong suit, but I'll keep it in mind. Bluebellanon (talk) 22:37, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Sybbie's birthdateEdit

Would you kindly stop removing the (b. August 1920) from Sybbie's page? The synopsis (as seen here:[1]) confirms that Episode 4 is set in August and the Christmas Special in 2012 is set in September (the link you provided was for the 2013 special NOT THIS YEARS) so that means Sybbie MUST have been born in AUGUST and her mother died in the same month. HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 23:16, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

The link I provided talks about the series being commisioned for a forth series and talks about this years Christmas Special. I was refering to this part: "It sees Lord and Lady Grantham and family heading for a summer break in The Highlands of Scotland, leaving most of their servants back at home." This only states SUMMER, not a particular month and how does wikipedia qualify as an ITV source as you called it?

I don't know why you have this obsession with trying to work out the exact birth/death/marriage of everyone in the show with the flimsiest of "proof"- but you do so using "logic" and "reasoning" that doesn't fit a wiki. Having vague unsubstansiated dates floating around everywhere that constantly change is ridiculous and serves no purpose.

Calculations, estimations and speculation are not canon. If you think something is correct but you don't know then it is not valid.

Though I don't know why I bother telling you this - it never seems to register. I would ask you to read this again ( but I don't think there's much point. Bluebellanon (talk) 23:53, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

The link in question: Bluebellanon (talk) 23:54, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

The Wikipedia qualified as an ITV source since the synopsis for the episodes COMES from ITV. Unfortunately, only the last three episode synopsis are there now.

And I will point YOU here: this link - - which confirms the 2012 Christmas Special is set in SEPTEMBER along with Series 3 Episode 4 being set in August, confirms Sybbie's birthdate. To RESTATE my point: 3x04, 3x05, 3x06, 3x07 and 3x08 are ALL in August with the Christmas Special (provided in the link I have just posted) being set in SEPTEMBER. This means Sybbie was born in August and her mother died in August. See? NOW will you admit I'm right and STOP EDITING THE FREAKING PAGE?!HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 23:59, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia can not be relied upon to be accurate and even The Radio Times has been incorrect in the past on Downton. The Radio Times article you linked to doesn't say anything about August, or mention those other episodes.

But yes, do resort to shouting and swearing. That always gets your point across in a calm and reasonable manner. Bluebellanon (talk) 00:11, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

In this case, given that the references are valid, and I have rightly pointed everything out, shouting is the last option since I think you'll find that this image (in which I have pointed out September since you seem unable to see what is in front of your eyes) confirms that the Christmas Special is set in September: . The synopsis for all episodes of Series 3 come from (only 3 remains now, the last 3 episodes) so that makes them Canon, as, after Jullian Fellowes, is canon. They state that 3x04 is set in August with, 3x05, 3x06, 3x07 and 3x08 srt in Autumn. Given that the 2012 Christmas Special is confirmed to be set in September, 3x05, 3x06, 3x07 and 3x08 cannot be in any month other than August. So, to recap, Sybil died and baby Sybil was born in August 1920!!! --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 00:19, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

This means

August: Sybil born + Sybil dead

August: 3x04, 3x05, 3x06, 3x07, 3x08

September: 2012 Christmas Special.

See? --HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 00:19, November 24, 2012 (UTC)



Categories Edit

You can add, edit, or remove categories by looking to the right side bar in edit mode and scroll down a bit. Not sure why the sidebar doesn't extend all the way to the bottom of the window. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 26 Nov 2012 9:01 AM Pacific

Thanks! I'm not sure why I missed that before! :) Bluebellanon (talk) 18:48, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Transclusion of cast into Downton Abbey (programme) Edit

See Forum:Transclusion of non-templates. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 13 Dec 2012 9:22 AM Pacific

Thanks a lot! :) Bluebellanon (talk) 20:45, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

When tagging minor characters articles for deletion Edit

Please do not remove any other content from a minor character article when tagging it with {{delete}}. This will only make it harder to transfer info to the List of minor off screen characters page. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 27 Dec 2012 7:47 PM Pacific

I haven't, but I'll keep that in mind. Bluebellanon (talk) 09:20, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Real people and locations in fictional storyEdit

Downton Abbey is fictional place with fictional characters, but this isn't Middle Earth or Star Wars in that beyond Downton village and the estate and a few central loctions, most of this takes place in our reality. Yorkshire is a real place, sinking of the Titanic was a real event, the First World War, the Marconi Scandal, etc... I think (since it happened to me) that somebody reading this would be curious where Flintshire is (Julian Fellowes didn't make up the place) so if that person like, just click on the link rather then a seperate internet search (it's why the creators of these fandom Wikias set-up an easy to wikilink to the real Wikipedia). Also trust the people are smart enough to know what is real and unreal within the show's universe that while there wasn't a real Marquess of Flintshire, Flintshire in both the DA universe and reality are the same place. CestWhat (talk) 21:34, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Well, yes but if they did for example show Leeds or Flintshire - two of the links I removed - they'd be showing a fictional version of those places, battles portrayed would be fictional versions of those battles. Writers usually place fast and loose when referencing rl events so I'm not sure how much use linking to those Wikipedia entries is. Besides which, as you can say, if anyone is actually interested they can search for themselves. I just feel like placing a link to those wikipedia entries on the actual word within the article is like us saying - this is definitely what Julian Fellowes meant/imagined when using those rl things as inspiration - and we have no idea if that is the case. But if you really think it's useful information perhaps it could be added as a footnote or reference rather than being a link in the body of the article? Bluebellanon (talk) 21:51, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
I disagree that it's a fictionalized version of a real life. It isn't filmed at the actual locations isn't the same as fictionalizing. It isn't mind reading with Julian Fellowes. Ripon on the show is suppose to be the Ripon. As you said, a person can look it up, but why inconvience a person when we can just look at it. Julian Fellowes isn't creating a Middle Earth. This is Edwardian England. CestWhat (talk) 23:06, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
Even if it was filmed at actual locations it'd still be a fictionalised version of real things/events. It's not a documentary. But like I said, why don't we just add it to the notes or references section? Bluebellanon (talk) 23:11, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
Anything but notes. I get your point, this is fiction and anything that happens in it is fictional even if it's referring to a real place, person or event. But I don't we should be that extreme about it. Would anybody be confused that Downton Abbey is a documentary if that wikilink for Leeds or any real place that suppose to be that place within the show stays? I would get that with Downton Abbey estate itself. That's totally fictional. But Flintshire or Leeds or Truro are real places and when Julian Fellowes uses them in the show, he's not inventing or doing any actual change. The way that Sherlock Holmes' London is fiction, but London is real. I mean if you look at any wikipedia article about a fiction story set in a real place (including Downton Abbey being set in Yorkshire, which is real). CestWhat (talk) 23:28, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
So is it okay with you if I change them to refs rather than links? Bluebellanon (talk) 21:51, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be more distracting to have them as ref section rather then just wikilinking them? If a person if wondering about [fill in the blank], he or she can click. If not, then he or she won't. Leaves it up to that person to pick if they want to click or not. CestWhat (talk) 02:44, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
No, I don't think it'd be distracting, I think it'd be a good indication to a reader who is new to the wikia that the link/info doesn't come from us and that we don't necessarily endorse the info or say this is 100% what the writer meant. I also think in a ref we could have a brief line about the info in question say for example if the link was to Leeds it might say - Leeds is a large town in Yorkshire etc and then the wikipedia link if they're interested in knowing more. Bluebellanon (talk) 20:34, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Pencilsprite Edit

To get the pencilsprite to work with the code I used, you need to be an admin on the wiki where you want it so you can set up MediaWiki:Pencilsprite. This only works on Wikia wikis. You could also just upload the image, but the way I did it allows it to also works in Edit buttons.-- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10 Jan 2013 11:06 AM Pacific

Ah, okay, thanks for your help with this, I appreciate it. :) --Bluebellanon (talk) 19:46, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

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